[Some consider this mysterious stone a hoax while others believe it proves early visitors to Alabama in the year 1232. The stone even made it all the way to American Antequarian Society in Worcester, Mass. to be studied. What do you believe?]
The Alabama Stone
(from an Early History of Tuscaloosa by Thomas P. Clinton 1916)
“Another early and unknown visitor to these parts was the party or parties who placed the “Alabama Stone” west of the mouth of Big Creek and on the north bank of the Warrior, five miles below Tuscaloosa. This stone was discovered in 1817 by Thomas Scales.”
Strange stone was found
Near fifty years ago when I was a child I knew Mr. Scales well. He then had the appearance of a very old and feeble man. Briefly speaking the particulars of his finding this stone were as follows:
“In the above mentioned year, 1817, Mr. Scales and his father were clearing land on the west bank of Big Creek, and they worked up to an embankment several feet high which ran from the creek to the river. On top of the embankment was growing a large poplar tree and at the foot of this tree a sand stone two feet long and one foot wide was standing partly embedded in the ground. On the stone was carved this inscription: “HISPAN ET IND REX 1232.”
Now from the fact that this stone was on top of the embankment, one would suppose the stone was set up when the embankment was made, and a large, tree had grown on top of the embankment. Reasoning thus we would conclude the stone had been placed there a long time before it was found. And that the person who put it there was a very early visitor to this part of the county.
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Early visitors in Alabama
Some other early visitors to the spot now occupied by our city came through here in June, 1771. An account of these visitors to this place can be found in Milbourn’s “Pioneers, Preachers and People of the Mississippi”, page 222. And a more elaborate account can be found in Pickett’s History of Alabama, reprint page 355. An account is given of a number of people coming from Natchez, across the state of Mississippi, and then through parts of Alabama. The account continues and says: “They next made the Warrior at Tuscaloosa Falls, which they crossed by alternately wading and swimming from rock to rock.”
Among the people who were in the expedition are mentioned a doctor named Dwight and his wife, also two sisters and three brothers named Lyman. These seven people are all whose names are given. But there were a number of others along. This was near the closing days of the Revolutionary War. These people were very early visitors to Tuscaloosa and Northport, in fact, the first of whom I had ever heard of visiting the spot where Northport now stands.
The Alabama Stone was sent to the American Antequarian Society, Worcester, Mass., May 1, 1824, by Mr. Silas Dinsmore, of Mobile. – (Editor of Alabama Historical Quarterly)
The information below is from the American Antequarian Society, Worcester, Mass.
After study, some scientists from the American Antequarian Society believe that it was left by De Soto according to this report:
I can but agree with him that everything points to the fact that the Alabama Stone was left where it was found by Mr. Thomas Scales while clearing his land, viz. six miles from Tuscaloosa, down Warrior river (originally Tuscaloosa river, meaning in Choctaw ‘Black Warrior’) by De Soto’s expedition. I think the clearly-cut 1232 cannot refer to a date. I have studied the matter very carefully and am convinced that De Soto crossed the Warrior river, not near Erie as Colonel Pickett, Judge Meek and others have conjectured, but just above the Indian town of Cabusto, marked now by the noted and fine Carthage, or Prince mounds. There De Soto fought his second severe battle, on what is now Alabama soil. The Indians (said by a Spanish writer to have been 8,000 warriors) disputed De Soto’s passage there some two or three weeks. De Soto meanwhile having two boats built ‘ 1^ leagues above Cabusto and one league out from river on El Monte ‘ or some high hills found there on the east side of Warrior river not for below Tuscaloosa. The Indians fought his men desperately when thej’ crossed about day-break, but all were safely across by sunset. De Soto’s men were then in danger. I hold that they hastily strengthened their camp on the west side by that earth-work extending from river to creek, which was the quickest way to protect a temporary camp. Then some Spanish soldiers roughly cut the Hispan et Ind Rey, and cut 1232 to indicate the number of leagues they estimated they had marched from Tampa Bay to that point—for those figures correspond with their estimate of their march until then.
A report of the American Antequarian Society in 1963 states that Alabama requested the return of the Alabama stone.
The Council at its last meeting voted to comply with the recent request of the Alabama State Department of Archives and History that we turn over to them the Alabama Stone, given to us in 1823, and described in our Proceedings of October, 1888. The State sent a jet plane to pick up this relic which the Alabama newspapers described as their Plymouth Rock.
Has the Alabama Stone been returned to the Alabama State Archives? If you know more about it, please share your comments below.
- The Alabama Historical Quarterly 1930
- American Antiquarian Society, Worcester, Mass
Incas and Spaniards
Should request the geologist that hosts the History Channel show America Unearthed to investigate.
I would like to see this stone if/when it is returned to Alabama!
Julie Robinson Schaer Andrew Nicholas Schaer
It is at the Department of Archives and History. Several articles about it have been written over the years. There are many theories.
This stone is unique, I have studied it for years through articles and photos. If you look carefully the stone on the right side forms a horses head of which the Spaniards brought to this country. There is also some very weatherd glyphs on the stone as well. One glyph is what looks to be a Spaniard. This stone is very real not a hoax. The date could have been a time something significant happened to the person who carved it.
Kent R Kropp
I believe…that I could seriously use more chocolate today. Also, I like rocks.
What does the inscription translate to ?????
I have no idea. Does anyone know?
” hispaniarum et indiarum rex.” King of Spain and the Indies
Thank you for the translation!
might be interesting to have scaott wolter’s of america unearthed investigate this… it is really interesting
Well there is evidence the Welsh prince Maddoc also known as mad dog landed on the eastern shore of Mobile Bay in the early 1100’s
This would be a great “America Unearthed” investigation.
What year was this discovery?
You can click on the link and you will see more of the story. It was discovered in 1817 by Thomas Scales.
Very Interesting. I grew up near Demopolis, Alabama where the Black Warrior River runs through and not far from Northport and Tuscaloosa.
Why does the title say “1412” but the article says the inscription is “1232”?
It’s in Celtic I think which would be early Viking maybe ????? Not sure but I think I saw that !!!!
its a rock !
Probably real…I’m going by the language….
Thank you Donna for helping us Alabamians to know more about our state. I love Southeastern history, and of course our Alabama history, and I’m learning even more about my county of Talladega. I was born at the place that has the purest white marble in the world, Sylacauga, and that’s how I feel about my home town, it is a very special place. But the Indians knew that before WE did. LOL!
I can’t see where it says “ET” but I do see “EI.” None of the tops of the other letters are worn enough to warrant assuming the top of the “T” is worn. I think it is real, but it needs scrutiny to determine completely what it says.
Concerning the “Alabama Stone”, I tried to contact America Unearthed about the authenticity of this stone with no response. I live on one of the creeks that pours into Big Creek. I discovered from satellite images and old photographs that there is two unique lines in the earth that converge at the northern most point this creek is navigable. This is very close to where I reside. I believe this lines are trails that were walked on many years. When one considers the terrain of Lake Tuscaloosa, the trails would provide an easier passage north. Big Creek may have been more traveled by Natives than other nearby creeks, except for maybe North River. Maybe this is why the stone was placed at the mouth of Big Creek.
That’s mine. It’s number 1232 in my rock collection
That is the address . The rock was originally out by my mailbox !