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  1. Andrew Jackson ‘rescued’ native Americans ? Really ? To be forced onto reservations!

    1. Ken Barrow yes he rescued friendly Creek Indians that were besieged in the fort with traders.
      This was 1813 and still Creek Territory. The treaty changing that was not signed until December of 1832. This was 19 years before that and was during the War of 1812.

    2. Typical divide and conquer strategy. Andrew Jackson not related to queen of England that’s a plus.

    3. Ken Barrow, reckon what happened to those “friendly Creeks”, during the land grab/roundup preceding the Trail of Tears?

    4. Approximately 500 Cherokees joined forces with Jackson. They’d been fighting the Creeks over territory for years. History is never black and white.

    5. Ken Rainwater, exactly. Jackson was a scourge for the native Americans. He’s the reason Davy Crockett left congress. He saw thru Jackson.

    6. Ken Barrow Andrew Jackson also adopted a Native American son

    7. Ken Barrow Crockett fought under Jackson in the Creek War, but he never saw himself as an Indian fighter. They later became political rivals, Crockett taking the non-removal side. But I don’t think Jackson ran Crockett out of Congress. I think Washington ran Crockett off. Crockett was uneducated and rough. He was jeered and made fun of in Washington as being a backwards hick. (Much like we see with our current president??) Fascinating period of our history just the same. Something our history books only cover with a sentence or two. I’ve always believed if the Red Sticks had not attacked Ft. Mims, Alabama today would be a more blended society. Assimilation had alredy begun with white settlers taking native wives.

    8. Ken Barrow you need to study history instead of memes and mularky.

    9. Jimmy Terry memes ?

    10. Ken Barrow Fight stupid wars against innocent women & children win stupid prizes.

  2. His story history like history channel is lie after lie.

  3. Until the Lion learns to write the hunter will ALWAYS be glorified.

    1. Jeffrey Love Sounds like some leaders of today!! So sad!

    2. Betsy Burkhalter yes I have 25 years now documented in the south TRYING to convince rebel flag wavers and native American that the government is corrupt I’m serious.

  4. Anybody ever hear of Poarch Creek Indians in Alabama? They apparently were never “removed”. Anybody know why? (Careful, it’s a trick question … )

    1. Alex R. Moore because they aren’t a real tribe.

  5. He hunted Indians especially in Florida.

  6. Yes, those Cherokee that joined Jackson done so believing they would be able to remain on their ancestral land. Jackson lied, as soon as the Creek’s were defeated he turned on the Cherokee , rounded them up and marched them to Oklahoma, Jackson was no hero.

    1. Thomas A. Mann If they were “all” lied to and removed, how were there Cherokee landowners and yes, slaveholders, in Alabama in 1850? How was it an entire unit of Georgia Cherokees fought in the Civil War for the Confederacy?

    2. Alex R. Moore , all I can say is don’t believe everything you were taught in school. It took a few years of research to get to the truth. If you’re willing to do the research you’ll learn a lot about what you were taught.

  7. If you were in Ft Leslie at the time, yes, you were “rescued.”

  8. My family are Mvskoke Creek tribal members and escaped removal.

  9. Anybody know why there were no Shawnees in north Alabama by 1800? Answer: The Cherokees and Chickasaws fought and killed them over hunting grounds, and forced them out long before white men ever arrived.

  10. Wow, come on ppl, the truth will set us free, & I don’t mean go out & take down statues, Oh & by the way that Indian child was adopted as a souvenir really!

  11. Came here for angry leftist white guilt apologist comments. Was not disappointed.

  12. The Choctaw Nation of Indians now knows how to write.

    The falsehood of Alabama history is due for an overhaul.

    Fraud has no statute of limitations.

    Chief Darby Weaver
    The Tribal Leader

    Son of Darby Weaver
    Son of Hiram Crockett
    Son of David Crockett Jr
    Son of David Crockett / Crockett Weaver / D.C.
    Son of David Weaver
    Son of the The One Weaver

    1. Darby Weaver I think this was the Creek Indians in this battle

    2. I read the history as written in the Life of Jackson.

      I also read the actual official version from the American State Papers which differs in context and details whereby Andrew Jackson is amiss to find any Indians to find contest with. His frustrations were apparent as was his blame pointed.

      He did build roads apparently.

      Seems like the official records state that Indians did not merely wait around to be slaughtered but would actually not be home when their would-be killers dropped by.

      Needless to say eve American State Papers serve as Federal Statute whereas the versions accepted by Alabama history are not Federal Statute At Large.

      Having battles in Court, I’ve learned that even Alabama Courts tend to have issue accepting the “History of Alabama”.

      So… I no longer use it.

      It lacks currency. If Alabama Courts cannot rely on Alabama Historians, that is very telling.

      Chief Darby Weaver

    3. After about $500,000.00 or so of my personal investment into learning whatever is available, I’m relying upon the documents that appear to be the actual documents of the day.

      Reference: Worchester v Georgia (1832)

      Reference: 1833 – Mushulatubbee calls for the removal of the settlers.

      Reference: The Non-Intercourse Act of 1834.

      Reference: 1835 – Land Patents declared fraud by Congress.

      Reference: 1836 Petitions by Alabama Settlers to not be removed from Alabama at least till their crops came in.

      Reference: The Act of March 3, 1837.

      Reference: 1844-1845 – JF Claiborne explaining to Congress exactly what constitutes a Fraud.

      Reference: 1844-1845 – Andrew Jackson confirming to William Crawford and JF Claiborne that he never sold a foot of Choctaw Land, any such pretense being the blackest of Frauds.

      Chief Darby Weaver
      The Tribal Leader

    4. Therefore the land to the East of the Tombigbee that was the subject of the Treaty of 1820 and the CHOCTAW LAND in Alabama east of the Tombigbee which was patented by named sections is fully documented.

      To be fair it is “East of the Mississippi River”.
      It’s just not in Mississippi as is what is relieved upon today.

      Those same settlers in 1836 had ancestors who also knew they arrived in the wrong location in 1810 after they arrived in 1807 and began to settle.

      This also is a matter of Federal Record.

      The Florida Campaign was interesting.

      The Battle of Fallen Timbers in 1794 by General Wayne and the Choctaws and Chickasaws of Fort Stoddard Alabama is an interesting event that sounds like the same Battle of Fallen Timbers of the Creek War…

      It’s interesting because those Chickasaws from the Choctaw Towns on 96 from Fort Stoddard are assisted by the Kunsha to deal with matters during this time.

      Yes – Some are also called Miami (Mims) or Cherokee in 1791-1796.

      There’s more to what I say. A lot more.

      When taken as a whole history has a problem because none of what I am saying is known to the common person or history buff.

      Yet – It exists and the Federal Records document what I am saying, more or less.

      Otherwise none of my thousands of references should even exist otherwise.

      Chief Darby Weaver
      The Tribal Leader

    5. Darby Weaver He found the Red Sticks en mass at Horseshoe Bend. This battle was well documented. Even the Red Stick leader, William Weatherford, was not full Creek blood. He was half-white.

    6. Darby Weaver Interesting, but a serious question for you. With four generations of white grandfathers, how do you claim Choctaw status? (We all probably have SOME Indian blood in us, but there are very specific guidelines for claiming Indian status today.)

    7. William Weatherford was described by Andrew Jackson as of the Hickory Tribe.

  13. I grew up here and yes, for this particular battle, this is what happened in 1813. The round up was in the 1830’s. Y’all are condensing the timeline to a single point which distorts the perspective of the event but not the final outcome.

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