1. If it helps anyone, I am fairly certain that “passieconnitatis” was the writer’s attempt at posse comitatus. It makes sense here in the context. Posse comitatus is the common law practice of empowering law enforcement to swear in and appoint citizens as an arresting posse. Collins defied the posse, and said he would kill the first man to step forward.

    1. Thank you for clarifying that.

  2. […] in the southern part of Wetumpka, was Hickory Ground. It was here, in 1745, that the Scotch trader, Lachland McGillivray, married the Indian princess Sehoy, daughter of Captain Marchant After his marriage to her, he did […]

  3. […] of a chief called Chenubby and a Hollander by the name of Moniac. This man was the father of Sam Moniac, whom you in your History call McNae, thinking him to be of Scotch […]

  4. The Weatherfords, Thanks for the article on Red Eagle. My 4th G Grandmother Ursula Weatherford Burelson (1758-1835) David Franklin Burelson ( 1755-1832 )
    She lived with her father, Wilkerson and grandfather, William in the Clear Creek area of Old Mecklenburg Co, NC. This is probably where the Weatherfords had jumped off the Great Wagon Road from Lunenburg, VA. Wilkerson Weatherford, likely named for his mother’s (Susannah Wilkerson, poss. Daughter of John Wilkerson) was a first cousin, once removed (shared the same great-grandfather, William Weatherford of Fallen Creek, Henrico Co, VA) of the famous “Red Eagle,” Creek Indian leader who led the attack on Ft. Mims, killing 497 white settlers and soldiers. William “Billy” Weatherford was also known as Hoponika Futsahia or “truth teller.” In 1814, he surrendered himself to Andrew Jackson, pleading for leniency towards the starving remnants of his people. Jackson spared his life and released him to live a quiet life in southern Alabama. A mural depicting this surrender can be found in the rotunda of the Alabama State Capitol. He was the son of Charles Weatherford and Sehoy MacPherson (Sehoy III of the Creek Nation) and was 3/4 scotch and 1/4 creek indian.Ursula Weatherford b. 1758 Lunenburg Co, VA, d. 27 Feb 1835 Murfreesboro, Rutherford Co, TNUrsula Weatherford’s family had come down the Great Wagon Road from Lunenburg Co, NC where her grandfather, William Weatherford is found in Lunenburg Co. Tax Lists in 1764, 1 of 4 poles (one of which is our Wilkerson). William was baptized at St. Peter’s Parish and is on record in the Vestry Book pg. 404, 406.
    Contrary to popular opinion, it appears that the Weatherford family was of Scotch origin. Only Charles Weatherford had any “relations” with Creek Indians, giving rise to the infamous “Red Eagle”. And he was reputed to be only ¼ Indian at that. So, our branch of Weatherfords is more likely white.
    My Grandfather( Adcock ) , I have found some evidence that the Adcocks that were killed at Ft Mimms are connected to my family also. As far as I know I am the only descendant kin to the Indian and Civilians at the Fort. I live in Mobile but was born in Alexander City, Al. I grew up around Horseshoe Bend and remember it well. Researching my family tree ( McCollough – Adcocks) of Alexander City, I have discovered 13 Confederate War veterans.

    1. What a well-written accounting of the Weatherford, I believe Wilkerson to be my great-grandfather, I have completed my DNA and would love to compare it to yours, do you have yours online if so where and what is the kit number. Thank You Coz

  5. A few notes:
    Lachlan McGillivray came to the Creek country in the 18th century (1700s), not the 17th.
    David Tate’s father was also named David, not John. You would expect that Driesbach would be familiar with his wife’s lineage, but official British records indicate otherwise. “John” was a name other historians came up with, and Driesbach was relying on them.
    The Scottish place name of questioned spelling in the first paragraph under Sam Moniac is Dunmaglass. Driesbach may have spelled it differently, but that is the common spelling.
    Savannah Jack’s last name was Hague, not Haque (an easy mistake in dealing with handwritten documents). The name was also commonly rendered as Haigue.
    Sam Moniac did not die in 1836. He died August 21, 1837.

  6. Incestuous lies… oh what tales we weave, when those who read, succumb and believe….

    Listen up folks – there a story, a myth, and an outright lie.

    Alexander McGillivray was born in 1759 and died in 1793 (assassination and who was his mail carrier – don’t wanna imply Weatherford but he was known and trusted by the “Emporer of the Creeks).

    So if William Weatherford was born in 1765…. or even 1780 or maybe 1781… exactly how is that your William Weatherford is the nephew of this same Alexander McGillivray – the other sister (not Sophia) is actually younger than Alexander McGillivray himself…

    Anyone ever wonder about this story and how it is so many historians have not worked him into the story correctly by now…

    So many lies…

    However, Putnam Waldo did not know the name Weatherford in 1819 it would seem and yet he did know of “Whitherford” and neither gave that famous speech.

    I therefore propose to ask why would Andrew Jackson take this man to his own home at the Hermitage, and his step son and his other child who was unborn before Weatherford knew the child to be a boy or a girl…. Anyone know the story of Lincoyer?

    Why are these children so very dear and so very important to THE USURPER names Andrew Jackson and why would Weatherford simply sell them out…

    And of course… by a man-hunter and bounty hunter for his “brother-in-laws”….

    Think about it and let me know what you think….

    Weatherford never caught Osceola and neither did the Moniacs…

    They still claim to be family…

    Oh what webs we weave….

    Gotta ask what was so very important and why so many NEVER stopped in their pursuit of this family and sought so very hard to ERASE them from HISTORY.

    Darby Weaver

  7. On the Bowles story – Check it with Panton and Leslie and you’ll see that is was not William who is the Weatherford who betrayed the Fearless Bowles but instead it was Charles…. who was a bit of a horse thief until this issue was resolved by Alexander McGillivray and the nephew of the Red Shoes….

    Of course the banditti had poor Big Warrior caged up in a “fort” and shot him to death and the news got back to Panzacola about 3 days after July 25th or 27th or so…

    I suppose no one helped him…

    Kinda like the Burnt Corn and Ft. Mims story rolled into one.

    The list goes on…

    But why lie? Why would they lie…

    Darby Weaver

  8. […] wealthy Lachland McGillivray had one of his principal stores there, and after making it the center of an extensive trade, he […]

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  10. Francine’s Daddy, now 96+ years and descendant of the Stiggins, Wagoners, Weatherford and related families.
    Most interesting historical account, much of which I have heard since my childhood and much of which I have read in many books; for example, Pickett’s History of Alabama, Draper’s Manuscripts, to name a couple and through genealogical research. My ancestors lived in Baldwin, Escambia, Conecuh and other counties in Alabama before and after they were counties. I have cherished the stories of their interesting lives, even though in the telling some may bear some embellishments for greater interest. jI have no reason for doubting the accuracy that would make a difference.

    Now comes one Darby Weaver (a “Doubting Thomas”) in his post saying it is “all incestuous lies”.

    In the interest of truth, tell me the sources on which you base your charges of it being all lies (authority) and tell me just what is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We, who are interested have need to know. I promise you I will keep an open mind for I need to know the truth, for believing lies have no value as they do deceive and lead astray and cloud one’s intellect.

    Thank you.

    1. I use the American State Papers and lately the Bureau of Land Management.

      I have now refuted the statements made by the Bureau of Indian Affairs – regarding Pierre Juzan and Charles Juzan, Zadoc, Jesse, Turner, Alexander, and the rest of the Brashears family.

      Dave/David Weaver was refuted in the Indian Citizenship Court – both of them and were confirms by Chief Jihn Ross and Thomas Taylor per sworn statements in regard to Elizabeth Weaver.

      The case was held as on of the 500 trial cases in Stephens v. Cherokee Nation, Choctaw Nation v Johnson et. al. in 1899.

      The Dawes Commission was investigated by Congress over a period of about 40 years for the fraud committed on behalf of the Five Civilized Tribes and the Choctaw Nation against the Mississippi Choctaw in Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana in particular as well as Texas, Tennessee, etc.

      It seems in Choctaw v US 119 US 1 in 1886 and the Court of Claims decision in 1883 that the Choctaw Nation got paid for “Net Proceeds” for some 10 million acres sold in Mississippi or even Alabama.

      However there was not a single acre of Choctaw lands ever sold in the Treaty of 1830.

      So the Choctaw Nation hired a law firm and the paid the law firm to lobby Congress for law such as the Dawes Act, the Indian Allotment Act, and the Curtis Act, etc.

      The Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations paid the law firm $750,000 to deny the Mississippi/Alabama Choctaw.

      At the same time the US Federal Governement paid the Commissioners whom 2 of 3 were on the payroll of the law firm.

      That amounted to what is called FRAUD.

      There’s a lot more to the story.

      It is the writings of Andrew Jackson to the Secretary of War Armstrong brought forth in his own defense in 1828 due to the fact that someone published a book or series of books about him variously called the “Life of Jackson”.

      The books made for better reading I suppose and they now account for Alabama History in schools.

      However, the American State Papers are the official version and Peter Force before them.


      A lot of people believed the books that would not have actually even been written in his own lifetime but were called by the American History Association in 1885 per the book in my own possession.

      So…. I spent a few hundred thousand dollars to learn as much of the truth as may be possible.

      Read Worchester v Georgia if you really want to know more about American History and the beginnings of this Country.

      Chief Justice John Marshall was said to be 68 years old in 1832 and he recounts history well enough and it is not what I was taught in school either.

      If we can’t believe the Supreme Cour who can we consider an authority – these anonymous authors?

      The Congressional Inquiries make good reading.

      Think about it.

      Darby Weaver

      The Tribal Leader

    2. I’m still working on the books to write to illustrate just how deep the fraud goes.

      It is fraud and it is deep.

      It has been uncovered by Congressional Inquiry and by the Supreme Court as well as by at least one Commissioner of Indian Affairs and reported or adjudicated by all.

      However, each was not complete as to the true duplicity of the entire fraud.

      Whatever the reason may be.

      Weatherford v Weatherford for example…

      I read two books and what appears to be a Federal Petition by a now Federally Recognized Tribe that rely upon this case…

      I went to Monroeville and made a copy of the case…

      I suppose whoever read it and used it had much better eyes than I.

      What I have a high definition picture of is scarcely legible much less readable.

      So unless there is a better copy somewhere…

      I’d be interested to know and I understand USA has one in possession – I’d love to see it.

      It would be interesting.

      Comparison actual unreadable version to whatever was readable by others who wrote what they said they read.

      It’s like I say interesting.

      Why would anyone speak untruthfully about a public record?

  11. […] some days, and among our crowd was Zach. McGirth, Davy Tait, the half-brother to Weatherford, old Sam. Moniac, who, many years before, had accompanied Alex. McGillivray to New York in General Washington’s […]

  12. This is very interesting reading for me, as several McQueen people are involved. None would be directly related to our Alabama McQueen family, however. My grandmother left some writings about our family in the Montgomery-Selma area as well as the local indians. She mentioned Sam Moniac (Manac, as the indians called him) and his store/trading post on Pintlala Creek.

    1. Ken, in the late 1960’s, there was a store, restaurant and boat ramp where Pintlala Creek flowed into the Alabama River. This was called Camp Manac. Does this named come from this Family?

      1. That spot was the location of Sam’s Alabama River plantation (he had properties there, Little Tallassee, Pintlala, and Tensaw). The area is still listed as “Manack” or “Manacks” on some maps even today.

    2. Brian Walters, more than likely, as “Manac” was widely used in the old days. I am surprised to hear that it was used in the ’60s, however, it would have a historic ring to it!

    3. Ken, Camp Manac was run by the Chestnut family.

    4. Ken, I’m a McQueen descendant from Montgomery, and a Moniac researcher. We should probably compare notes.

  13. Love reading about my heritage!

    1. Thanks Mark Hirschfeldt. Good read. I’ve read similar accounts. By all records I’ve been able to uncover my ancestral line comes directly from Elizabeth and Sam Moniac Great great (however many) grandparents. Moniac is an interesting figure and some of his land grants made by the US govt. were honored and others were not. He served as a scout to A. Jackson in the war against the Red Sticks. It is also said that he was one of the young boys that made the trip to New York and met Washington along with Alexander McGillivray. Sadly, after serving Jackson he was a victim of the Indian removal act and it is said that he died in the Biloxi area from Yellow fever on rout to the Oklahoma territory. Some of his kin folk did stay behind and are now recognized as the Poarch Creek tribe we know today.

      1. Hey cuz!

  14. Glad that u posted that Brandon . Very interesting .ji

  15. Update:

    Colonel William Weatherford lived to serve in the Sac and Fox Campaign and the Mexican War.

    The story of Fort Mims is a great fairy tale however it is not what was reported by Andrew Jackson to the Secretary of War Armstrong and laid before Congress in 1828 according to the handbill and the American State Papers.

    Nancy Fisher applied for his pension and Congress agreed she was his heir.

    The Bureau of Land Management issued land parents to Nancy Weatherford.

    I’ve also read that Lachljn or Laughlin Durant reported that either his daughter or sister Nancy was last seen and was married to William Weatherford. That was a while ago and was on either his Creek or Choctaw Application for Citizenship in Oklahoma.

    FYI – The Friendly Creeks are typically Choctaw Captains and Chiefs.

    Silas D. Fisher is noted for signing the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek and also owning a tract of land in Mount Vernon Alabama immediately North of Fort Stoddard.

    Lachlan Durant’s son becomes a Chief of the Choctaw Nation in Oklahma.

    Alexander Brashers who signed the Choctaw Treaty of 1830 is Kin to Jesse Brashears and Noah Wall – Wall v. Williams.

    He is also an ancestor of John Everett and John Reed who are kin to Dan to and Rose Reed of the Choctaw Indians in Mobile Alabama.

    John Everett and John Reid (Reed) were both two of the mayors of Mobile Alabama.

    John Reid (Reed) Jr won the mayor election in 1870 with 170 votes but was contested since that appeared to be more votes than his competitor Moulton believed was possible at the time.

    Reid (Reed) won in Reid v Moulton in the Alabama Supreme Court but was never mayor of Mobile.

    It’s sad about the whole Fort Mims story.

    It’s interesting what people will say and do to get land.

    Darby Weaver

    The Tribal Leader

  16. […] of a chief called Chenubby and a Hollander by the name of Moniac. This man was the father of Sam Moniac, whom you in your History call McNae, thinking him to be of Scotch […]

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